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neverwhere ([personal profile] neverwhere) wrote2003-11-24 02:00 pm

Baaa Baaa goes the sheep :)

Wow, another update! I'm spankin'! *giggles*

It's not really an update. I just thought I would participate in this interesting meme thingy. Since I don't read fanfics I'm not really coming from that perspective, I hope you don't mind. But I think I can guarantee to have some outrageously unpopular opinions. Wooohooo! ;-)



[Star Trek: The Next Generation]
ST:TNG, I love you dearly, but if I have to hear 'In the late 20th century...' to describe something one more time I will disavow you and swear my alligence to your archnemesis Babylon 5.

Riker was a giant Space Slag, who was not sexy but a carrier of disease across the galaxy. That plague that wiped out the once peaceful planet of Euphoria Minor? Yep, that was Riker.

[The X-Files]
Agent Pendrell was the perfect man for Scully, and they would have lived happily ever after if hadn't been for that whole dying thing. (Curse you Chris Carter!)

[Stargate: SG-1]
I love Jonas, and so should you. JONAS IS COOL. Jonas is intelligent, adorable, charismatic and a fun addition to SG-1. He is not, I repeat not an emotionally vapid Gary-Stu with a Deus ex Machina complex. Jonas rules, and quite frankly Daniel (though I still crush on him madly) pretty much SUCKS since his timely return from The Great Beyond.

[Harry Potter]
Harry is too fucked up to have a girlfriend. Why do you even pretend otherwise? If you want to write an AU fic where he is not emotionally disturbed, go right ahead. But if you want to remain Canon PLEASE do not ignore that fact that he has suffered, and continues to suffer on a daily basis. Just imagine what that does to a person! His entire life has been one misery after another, and now he is in the middle of a war which he did not want, yet he finds himself the centre of all the action. He has FAR too much on his mind to be bothered with romance of any kind, and occasionally barely even has time for his friends. Why on earth should anyone want to force him into a relationship? Pity the poor child who gets saddled with this stubborn, irascible, bi-polar saviour of the world.

[LOTR]
Pippin is NOT stupid. GAH! Leave my Pip alone, dammit. He is comic relief, but that has never been his only function. He is not one-dimensional in any way. He does, in fact SAVE MIDDLE EARTH. So just shut up about my beloved being childish comic relief.

[Buffy]
I'm sorry, but however much I appreciate that Willow/Tara was the best, most realistic homosexual relationship on tv, Oz was a zillion times better than Tara.

Spike lost all interesting qualities when he became Buffy's Bitch. Where has the man who once called people 'Happy Meals with legs' gone!

[Doctor Who]
The Enemy Within kicked arse, despite the fact that it's so Americanized, and has a kiiiiiss, and Eric Roberts as The Master. I was one of the first people in the world to know what it would look like, and if you could have seen how much love and attention went into making this production, you would appreciate it too. And besides, Eight is hot. So there. :-P

[Every Fandom]
Never ever show off your squicky twincest/beastiality/whatever fanfic or photomanip to the real people you've based it on. EVER. It's just plain rude! How would YOU like it if someone wrote a story about you and your brother or your mum or your best friend (or all three at once)? You wouldn't like it very much, would you. If you want to write it, GO AHEAD! Knock yourself out. Write or draw as much as your bursting little heart desires. But don't pretend that your objects of desire share your passion! If they want to see it themselves, and maybe have a good laugh, let them do it in private and on their own terms. Is that too much to ask? No, of course not.

Edit: I can't believe I forgot this one.
Two people can be in a loving, devoted relationship and not be shagging each other. This goes for both straight and gay relationships. I think people have gotten so carried away with making sure that homosexual relationships are seen and heard that they're seeing them everywhere. I'm certainly not saying that you shouldn't write a story where Frodo and Sam, or Sirius and Remus or whomever are together, but for the love of Varda do not say that it's Canon. As much as I might want to believe Picard and Crusher have been doing the nasty for years, I know it's not Canon, and I don't pretend otherwise. Why should it be so with other fictional characters we know and love?
In your imagination, anything can happen. And this is a very good thing. But if it's not what the author imagined, don't force your ideas on his creation. Okay? :)



Well, that was fun now, wasn't it. *grins*

[identity profile] inblackink.livejournal.com 2003-11-24 02:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Agent Pendrell!!

Oh, how I miss Agent Pendrell!!

A very good friend of mine used to call herself Scully, and I was her Pendrell... but not like that! ;)

And I agree with every wise little word you said about Harry Potter, Buffy and LoTR.

I will always prefer Oz to Tara (Although, God, she deserved a better death. On the upside, at least she wasn't dissed as badly as Anya.) and Angel and Buffy together, over Buffy and Spike...

Wowzers, she agrees! :D

[identity profile] angelislington.livejournal.com 2003-11-24 02:39 pm (UTC)(link)

I loved Agent Pendrell. When he died I weeped for almost an hour afterwards. I was just so shocked that Chris Carter would take away my beloved ickle Pendrellpants! *sniff*

I'm really quite stunned you actually agree with me on so many things...*giggles happily*

[identity profile] violin-road.livejournal.com 2003-11-24 02:26 pm (UTC)(link)
what is the difference between a skit and a sketch?

[identity profile] ixwin.livejournal.com 2003-11-24 02:27 pm (UTC)(link)
oh good. I'm not the only clueless one :)

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[identity profile] nerdcakes.livejournal.com 2003-11-24 02:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Poor Pippin. When will the fools learn that being Comic Relief is a good thing? I plan to go one better than Pippin and become a Comic Relief Sidekick someday! Am taking applications from superhero types as we speak *nods*

And yes, Eight is indeed hot. I haven't seen the TVM but my underdog-defending instincts tend to sway me in its favour, poor thing.

And re:Every Fandom...

So. Damn. True. *WORSHIPS*

[identity profile] angelislington.livejournal.com 2003-11-24 02:47 pm (UTC)(link)

*squeals*

You're amazing. *LOVE!* :D

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[identity profile] queeniefox.livejournal.com 2003-11-24 02:31 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't really know wheather my fandom opinions are unpopular or not! I can generally find someone somewhere who agrees with me.

In response to yours:

ST:TNG Ha ha! You are so right about Riker! He;s always made me shudder.

Harry Potter: I don't think anyone who writes Harry into a relationship doubts that he is traumatised. That spurs the little sadists on I think!

LoTR: Yes! Except, Sam saved the world. In my head anyway.

Buffy: Ah, I'm afraid I never liked Oz that much. I couldn't get past the whole killer beast every full moon thing. Ick.

As for Spike - I am actually ashamed of liking season 7 Spike because it makes me a stupid little teeny fangirl who liked her men to be all angst continuously...but I can't help it! Season six was just annoying though. GET OVER IT MAN! Er, Vampire. Whatever.

Doctor Who: The Enemy Within is brilliant. End of.

Every Fandom: God, I know. What on earth were they thinking of? (I think we're both thinking about the same incident here)

What is a skit?

[identity profile] angelislington.livejournal.com 2003-11-24 02:49 pm (UTC)(link)

You like Eight! You rule!

What is a skit? See my answer to [livejournal.com profile] plainsong_x above. :)

[identity profile] xendragon.livejournal.com 2003-11-24 02:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Och now girl, i fancied Mulder :P
And yes Spike was better when he was BAAAAD >:)~ a yum-yum!

Meh i dunno how to defend old Picard in Next Gen...i just love him up to his shiny bald head.

Also, while im here - What are good Tori songs to get?

[identity profile] angelislington.livejournal.com 2003-11-24 02:46 pm (UTC)(link)

Well of course I fancied Mulder. Especially in glasses, eating sunflower seeds. Mmmmmmm.

But Pendrell was just so CUTE! I adored his puppy dog eyes and unrequited love for Scully.

Picard is too honourable. That's why he never spent his free time shagging Beverly. ;-)

Oooooh Tori! Well, let's see. I'll try to give examples of the different styles of songs she does.

Precious Things
Silent All These Years
Etienne
Professional Widow
Raspberry Swirl
Bells for Her
Yes, Anastasia
Virginia
A Sorta Fairytale
Carbon
Fire on the Side
Cloud on my Tongue

...That should be good for now. :)

[identity profile] brandybuck.livejournal.com 2003-11-24 03:04 pm (UTC)(link)
*SHAGS*

I LOVE YOU.

Can I add "Don't be so fucking precious about your OTP that you rip apart a jaw-droppingly good movie just because the director didn't subscribe to your particular viewpoint"?

I could rant for pages about this and some other particularly infuriating fandom tendencies, but I have close friends I don't want to offend :)

[identity profile] angelislington.livejournal.com 2003-11-24 09:53 pm (UTC)(link)
I LOVE YOU TOO.

We are so meant to be together. Like, totally. *giggles*

And yes, I would definitely add your quibble to my list. To anyone's list. Cause it's true. *snog!*

[identity profile] ashfae.livejournal.com 2003-11-24 03:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Babylon Five kicks ass. It really does. I've been a Next Gen fan since forever, but B5 kicks ass. Ohsogood is it. Yes yes.

There are people who were suckered into thinking Riker was sexy? What a bizarre notion.

*APPLAUSE FOR THE LAST!*

But I disagree with most of the others. *Gryn*

[identity profile] angelislington.livejournal.com 2003-11-24 09:54 pm (UTC)(link)

You like B5? Really? Ick.

:-P

Well, I suppose I can continue adoring you -- after all, everyone needs at least one flaw. ;-)

I thought you might disagree with a few of my wacky ideas. *chuckles*

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[identity profile] peartreealley.livejournal.com 2003-11-24 03:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't follow nearly all of your fandoms, but I am completely with you on Potter and devoted relationships.

Glad to know I'm not alone :D

[identity profile] angelislington.livejournal.com 2003-11-24 09:58 pm (UTC)(link)

You're never alone on LJ! *beams*

Wheeeeeeee Inuyasha!

[identity profile] eyre-lasgalen.livejournal.com 2003-11-24 03:51 pm (UTC)(link)
*ahem*

Very good. I'm not the only one who thought Riker a great slag. Dirty.

How I miss Pendrill. What was wrong with him?! Why did he have to be killed off in such a manner?! Woe is meeeeeeeeeeeee

Thanks for sticking up for Oz. I know nothing about him, except that he's my beloved Seth, and that I'm *almost* willing to systematically track down and watch every episode of Buffy that he was in. Especially the shirtless one. Yes, deffinitely. Now, I wonder which episode that was? *ahem* Looking in your direction, fangirl

On the cannon note, I will NEVER EVER EVER believe it anywhere within the realm of possibility for Draco and Harry to be friends/lovers. I just can't buy that a pissant like Draco would EVER do anything that would earn Harry's respect/friendship/love or whatever. I've read a million fanfics where this has happened, and I'm sorry, I'll never buy it. Even if JKR should deem to write it, I won't buy it.

Riker: The Dirtiest Whore in the Known Universe

[identity profile] angelislington.livejournal.com 2003-11-24 10:01 pm (UTC)(link)
I believe the episode you're looking for is called Phases, although I could be wrong, as Seth gets shirtless on a number of occasions. :)

Pendrell was a puppyfaced geeky God. Oh how I miss him! *sob*

[identity profile] jezrana.livejournal.com 2003-11-24 04:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Buffy: Word. Tara was pretty cool, but I never got over Oz leaving.

X-Files: Meh. I'm too resistant to any and all partners for Mulder and Scully except each other. They were my OTP before I knew what OTP's were.

Pairings: Yeah, I like to stubbornly insist on Frodo/Sam's canonness...it just makes me happy for some reason...but really, I don't think anyone can seriously say it's canon. Tollers, Elbereth bless him, was a staunch English Catholic who grew up in the late 19th and early 20th century, and I can't see him intentionally writing a homosexual relationship, alas.

Really, for all pairings, it's fun to be all "theirloveissocanon", but unless the author affirms it, it's really not.

[identity profile] angelislington.livejournal.com 2003-11-24 10:10 pm (UTC)(link)
>They were my OTP before I knew what OTP's were.

Oh, I know they were Meant To Be, but Pendrell was just too adorable not love. And to want him to succeed with Scully. But if she had to settle for someone, it should definitely be Mulder. ;-)

[identity profile] sheldrake.livejournal.com 2003-11-24 04:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Harry is too fucked up to have a girlfriend.

Do they not have wizard therapists? I do worry about him having to cope with all the crap on his own like this, or at least I would if he had a few more dimensions to his character. Especially when his elders and betters seem to spend a lot of time a) playing mind games with him for the sake of a plot twist, b) egging him on in an irresponsible manner, c) bullying him d) generally behaving unprofessionally. In my opionion, Mrs Weasley is probably the only adult in his immediate vicinity with a lick of sense (also Remus, but he really needs to get his act together) but she has too much on her plate already. Is it too much to ask to get Harry an appointment with someone qualified to deal with people who've been through this kind of terrible trauma? Is it???

Pippin is NOT stupid. No, he most certainly isn't. He is however insane. With love of YOU, Nevvie!

Oz was a zillion times better than Tara. Tara really annoyed me, she was just so droopy and wet. I wished she didn't, but she did. Oz was fab.

The Enemy Within kicked arse I need to see this again, actually. I've been having a few nostalgic Doctor Who moments lately. I was one of the first people in the world to know what it would look like, Ooh, do tell! Eight is hot Mmmm. Remember when I saw him in Costa's in Milton Keynes? Did you see that picture of his back my friend took? Ooh, he had Orangina and sandwiches! *thinks fond thoughts*

don't pretend that your objects of desire share your passion! Amen to that!

if it's not what the author imagined, don't force your ideas on his creation.
Hmm, I find this interesting. I think it was possibly the obvious paradox of this that drew me into the world of slash in the first place. Because I read LOTR, and a bit of my brain was going, well Frodo and Sam are clearly in love. And another bit of my brain was going, er... I think you'll find they clearly aren't. Like, context? And the first bit of my brain went, yes I know, but anyway. And that bit defected and went and looked up other weirdos on the Internet. The End.

But you're right -- it's clearly a good thing not to let your personal obsessions and oddnesses take over the bit of your brain capable of objective thought, lest you become a scary person that everyone tries to avoid.

Well. That was fun. :)

[identity profile] angelislington.livejournal.com 2003-11-24 10:28 pm (UTC)(link)

YES they so totally need Wizard therapists. And Harry needs an appointment, stat!
I absolutely agree with everything you said in that paragraph.

I love [livejournal.com profile] pippininsane. Seriously.
Everything he writes makes me snort and giggle and laugh till I turn blue. :))))

Tara was rather wet, wasn't she. I liked the fact that she was shy, but she didn't need to be quite so useless.

In 1996 I attended a Doctor Who convention, and the guest of honour was the director/writer/producer was the Guest of Honour. He gave a slide show with lots of photos of the production, including the meticulous detailing that went into the TARDIS and everything in it. They spent many months researching Who history, and tried to fit in as much of it in the props and set decoration as possible. The director talked for a long time about how much he loved the series, and wanted to remain as truthful to the original as he was allowed, but unfortuntely because it was being made for US tv he had to take liberties and cram in as much back story as he could, while still making it a new and exciting story. It didn't turn out quite like he had hoped (understatement of the millenium), but he also thought this would be a pilot, and he could make improvements in later episodes. Oh well. :)

You looked up the other weirdos, and found ME! :D

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[identity profile] wildemoose.livejournal.com 2003-11-24 04:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Riker=intergalactic STDs. That's all there is to it. The only sexy people on the bridge of the Enterprise have either yellow skin or a bald, shiny head...a beautiful, beautiful shiny head...

[identity profile] angelislington.livejournal.com 2003-11-24 09:42 pm (UTC)(link)

*giggles*

MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY. :D

[identity profile] silverowlwings.livejournal.com 2003-11-24 04:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Riker has creeped me out since I was a small child. I am such a second generation Trekkie. Cheers for my mom!

And as for Pippin, he WAS a bit daft at first (I'm thinking water in pockets stuff here...his foolishness was a function of his young age, though). He actually annoyed me a little bit when I first started reading, but as his character progressed he became utterly awesome. You may continue with your Peregrin adoration. ;)

[identity profile] angelislington.livejournal.com 2003-11-24 09:41 pm (UTC)(link)

I shall indeed continue with my adoration. Booyah!

Most people never seem to remember (especially if they've only seen the films, although these people are stupid and shouldn't count anyway ;-) that he is YOUNG, he's basically a teenager and a very priviledged, naive one at that.

My love for him continues unabated!

[identity profile] trakkie.livejournal.com 2003-11-24 04:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Never ever show off your squicky twincest/beastiality/whatever fanfic or photomanip to the real people you've based it on.

Ugh. See, it makes me sad that this is an UNPOPULAR fandom opinion. This should be one of the most popular opinions of all. It should be a rule of conduct. It should be a law. It should be something everyone agrees on. Because forcing something like that on people (especially when they're 17 year old boys!) is most definitely wrong and disrespectful.

[identity profile] angelislington.livejournal.com 2003-11-24 09:39 pm (UTC)(link)

I absolutely agree. I don't think it should be a law, but surely everyone can agree that it is morally irresponsible and just plain rude.

If the people in question are interested, you can tell them about it, and let them discover for themselves. Don't shove it in their face. Please.

[identity profile] myf.livejournal.com 2003-11-24 05:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I've come to the conclusion that I need some stronger opinions about fandoms in general. I'm a bit too generally happy with everything that goes on.

Oh! Except of course for your brilliant, incisive and totally spot-on final remarks. Squick yourself if you must, but don't inflict it on others if they don't ask for it. And that includes me. *blerk*

[identity profile] angelislington.livejournal.com 2003-11-24 09:37 pm (UTC)(link)

I don't really have strong fandom opinions, or at least, not in the way that LJ means 'fandom', which is full of angst and strife about pairings, slashings, real life pairings, etc, and the conflicts between the warring factions, of which I have no part. Thank god.

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[identity profile] killerbeautiful.livejournal.com 2003-11-24 05:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Riker was a giant Space Slag, who was not sexy but a carrier of disease across the galaxy. That plague that wiped out the once peaceful planet of Euphoria Minor? Yep, that was Riker.
:snerk: jonathan frakes babysat my uncle when he/they were younger. one of my icons used to be riker making out with someone with "slut" blinking in bright blue letters.

Harry is too fucked up to have a girlfriend.
word. he's not too fucked up for a boyfriend, because i think most of his choices would make a dysfunctional relationship anyway [draco, blaise, zacharias, even ron would have some weirdness to it]... but yes. :nodnod:

Pippin is NOT stupid. GAH! Leave my Pip alone, dammit. He is comic relief, but that has never been his only function. He is not one-dimensional in any way. He does, in fact SAVE MIDDLE EARTH.
why do i agree with everything you say? you'll have to come up with better unpopular opinions. ;)

Oz was a zillion times better than Tara.
marry me. now.

<33333333 _ems

[identity profile] angelislington.livejournal.com 2003-11-24 09:34 pm (UTC)(link)

Wowww! I'm so impressed that you share my opinions. You are obviously very wise and full of goodness. *grins impishly*

JF babysat your uncle! That is a wicked cocktail party story. I know the Plexiglass guy from Star Trek IV:The Voyage Home, he's been a family friend for as long as I've been around (at least 25 years). So that's my story! :D

*squish!*

[identity profile] nostalgia-lj.livejournal.com 2003-11-24 06:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, but in the late 20th century...

You commented in *my* LJ! Whooot!

[identity profile] angelislington.livejournal.com 2003-11-24 09:30 pm (UTC)(link)

Ack, nooooooooooo! *grumbles and begins the B5 oath of alligence*

Oh, who am I kidding, I could NEVER give up my precioussss TNG. *cuddles her dvd boxsets lovingly* :D

PS -- Sisko can make babies with me anytime. *giggles*

[identity profile] cabell.livejournal.com 2003-11-24 08:11 pm (UTC)(link)
HP: I quite agree. Fortunately, no one is too fucked up for sex with Snape. :D

[identity profile] angelislington.livejournal.com 2003-11-24 09:28 pm (UTC)(link)

Hehehe thank the Great Green Arkleseizure for that!

[identity profile] soupytwist.livejournal.com 2003-11-25 08:40 am (UTC)(link)
I suspect I shouldn't be surprised that I agree there. *grin* (Although I'm glad to see you also appreciate the Mulder. MmmmMulderinglasses.)

And dude, you'd've thought people could remember the sketch/skit thing if only by the fact that SKIT SOUNDS FUCKING STUPID. *ahem*

[identity profile] angelislington.livejournal.com 2003-11-25 03:34 pm (UTC)(link)

Remember the David Duchovney Estrogen Brigade?

Yep, I was a member. A fawning drooling fangirl member. *giggles*

Ahhhhh those were the days. *nostalgic sigh* ;-)

[identity profile] kasyx.livejournal.com 2003-11-25 08:42 am (UTC)(link)
[LOTR]
Pippin is NOT stupid. GAH! Leave my Pip alone, dammit. He is comic relief, but that has never been his only function. He is not one-dimensional in any way. He does, in fact SAVE MIDDLE EARTH. So just shut up about my beloved being childish comic relief.


LIES! LIESLIESLIES! Pippin is only comic relief in the new films. And, quite frankly, they chose COMPLETE IDIOTS to play them. Distinct lack of talent, apart from maybe in the squint-jaw department.

Two people can be in a loving, devoted relationship and not be shagging each other.
Hmm. _I_ think you are wrong. Very very wrong. They don't need to be shagging _all_the_time_ but there does need to be that there. Otherwise there is no physical attraction there. Love is more than sex, but sex _is_ part of love.

[identity profile] randiriel.livejournal.com 2003-11-25 02:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh my goodness. You have hit my issues with Buffy right on the nose. Oz...*sighs wistfully*

Also, I am so there with you on the Riker bit.

And with the Pippin love.

*is a pervy Hobbit fancier*

[identity profile] angelislington.livejournal.com 2003-11-25 03:33 pm (UTC)(link)

Duuuuude when are we going to munch popcorn and throw it at the cinema screen together? ;-)

I can not believe I just said 'dude'. *laughs*

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[identity profile] angelislington.livejournal.com 2003-11-25 04:13 pm (UTC)(link)

Because it's so much harder to reminesce about a time period that hasn't happened yet. ;-)

(Star Trek history is so amusing. Remember how the Eugenics Wars were supposed to start in 1999? ;-)

It is rather strange that everyone in the 24th Century seems to find something about the 20th to love. Great things, like jazz and art and Dixon Hill, but still, tis odd. *G*

[identity profile] burningtoast.livejournal.com 2003-11-26 12:36 am (UTC)(link)
Harry is too fucked up to have a girlfriend. Why do you even pretend otherwise?

Wait, what's that sound? Oh I know what it is... the freakin' Voice of Reason!!!! Thank you for expressing this extremely important fact. Here we have Harry who is traumatized by the death of his parents at the hands of a psychotic wizard; who is targeted for death at any moment by said wizard who is now also able to infiltrate his mind; is in the very midst of reconciling himself with the fact that he, and he alone, is destined to defeat evil wizard or die trying; has made numerous enemies, some of whom he has to spend nine months with at boarding school; and has just lost the only father figure he ever had. Yet in fanfic, the boy still has time to shag everything that crosses his path. No, you are absolutely right - this kid (and he is still a kid in my book, anyway) does not have time for romance. Not in fanfic and not in the real books, either - which was why I was so glad to see him get rid of that shallow little hussy Cho Chang. He's got more important things to do than go out to cutesy tea shops and suck face.

[identity profile] angelislington.livejournal.com 2003-11-26 12:39 am (UTC)(link)

HUZZAH!!

*high fives and does a congratualatory dance*

My thoughts exactly.

[identity profile] randiriel.livejournal.com 2003-11-27 02:22 am (UTC)(link)
And, I would just like to mention, though really it needn't be said...Oz is yummy, badass!Spike is yummy, Pippin is yummy, and both Mulder and Pendrell are yummy.

*wanders off to drool on herself*